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Post by Leigh on Feb 5, 2007 20:02:21 GMT -5
You brought up a good point. The will!! Surely Dumbledore has one. I wonder who he left all of his stuff to, seeing as he has no relatives (besides his brother) that we know about. It'd be interesting to know what is contained in the will.
As for Snape redeeming himself, I'm sure that'll prove a hard task for him. Something similar to Sirius. I mean, I'm pretty sure most people in the Wizarding World still think Sirius was a raving mad murder. You don't just believe that for so long and then say "Oh, well, he was innocent!" Snap may not be convicted as long, but he actually did kill the person he was accused of killing, and it happened to be a very influential, well like and respected person!
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on Feb 5, 2007 22:12:56 GMT -5
I wonder if Dumbledore could protect Snape from the grave. I mean like sending a message or letter to the Ministry saying that he told Snape to kill him. THat is the only way I can see Snape never being sent to Azkaban.
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Post by Leigh on Feb 6, 2007 19:59:25 GMT -5
He would have had to send the letter before died, because I don't think he'll be able to do anything when he is dead. If he had sent the letter before he died, the Ministry or whoever he sent it to would have gotten it before the funeral. I think we would have heard about it.
I did actually like the thought of Dumbledore hiding the memory somewhere. That might actually work. Or maybe when Dumbledore (well, not him.. but...yea..) comes back in the portrait that I'm sure he'll have in the Head's office, he'll tell them.
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Post by GryffindorGLion on Feb 6, 2007 20:27:08 GMT -5
I don't believe when JK says she killed off Dumbledore...think about it...What's Harry without Dumbledore??? My answer: clueless....Dumbledore is the ONLY one that knows everything about Voldemort....IF he's dead (and it has to be confirmed in the last book) there HAS to be a will left to Harry....it's the only way for him to get a head start....
But another question remains: how will he receive it?? I am positive Harry will stay at his aunt and uncle until he becomes of age and leave on his mission....
As far as Snape redeeming himself: either he has to die to save Harry's life, or help him with clues leading to where Voldemort is...
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on Feb 7, 2007 7:45:04 GMT -5
OKay. I see how we may think that the letter would have to be sent before he died but how do we know that Fawkws won't bring the letter or the will. Maybe Dumbledore put the letter in the Sorting hat. We are all assuming that they don't have any magical means of doing things. They are wizards so there has to be ways for them to do things differently then us.
For all we know Snape could have the letter or the will. Maybe he gave the letter to McGonigall but told her not to open it unless something happened to him. I know that if I was given something like that, that I wouldn't remember about it right away.
I also feel that Harry will be able to talk to Dumbledore in a portrait some where. I don't know where it could be.
I may just be using my imagination but this is a series with magic and stuff so I am thinking that they can put enchantments on things to be delivered after the fact. I do think Dumbledore is dead because I don't see how his portrait could show up in the headmaster's office if he was still alive.
There are so many possibilities about how, if there is a will, Harry could get his hands on it. How do we know that Dumbledore didn't put something in Harry's belongings?
I also like the idea of the hidden memory. I think we are underestimating Harry by thinking that he can't do it alone. Harry went through alot in the last two years that I think he is smarter and stronger then we realize.
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Post by Mays on Feb 7, 2007 13:22:42 GMT -5
I agree with Nutz, The will could be hidden magically, meant to be revealed for some person after the death of the person whome the will belongs to.
I'm almost sure Harry would use the portrait in the Headmistress's office to contact the last reamining imprint of Dumbledore's spirit.
Though I'm afraid I disagree with you on the last point, Nutz. I don't think that Harry can survive alone. Remember in GoF, when he was not speaking with Ron, he felt really awful, & burdened? Well, he had a Dragon to think about defeating, but still. I think if harry lost Ron or Hermione or Ginny in the next book, he'll be downright devastated. He is strong, but he is human.
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Post by Leigh on Feb 7, 2007 18:15:42 GMT -5
Ok, I think that Harry can make it without Dumbledore. Sure, he still needs his friends and the Order, but he can do it without Dumbledore, it'll just be harder. People are most definitely underestimating Harry by saying that he cannot make it without Dumbledore.
I think Dumbledore's portrait will play a big part in the next book. Besides the fact that they can possibly get information from it, they can also use it to communicate, because, being so influential and well respected, he's sure to have more than one portrait.
You know what else I want to know? When is Fawkes coming back? And what will the phoenix's role be in the seventh book if he comes back?
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on Feb 7, 2007 19:12:43 GMT -5
Leigh I agree with what you said in your first paragraph. I don't mean that Harry would do it alone but that everyone thinks he can't. Ron, Hermione and Ginny will be there to help him but if they get killed in the process it will make him stronger because he will have even more reasons to kill Voldemort. He knows all of them more then he did his parents. He never got to know his parents so he only got to learn about them through his parents friends and teachers.
I also think Dumbledore's portrait will be in more then one place. I can't say where but most likely in Hogwarts. I wonder if a portrait of him would be in the Minister of Magic's office?
I also want to know about Fawkes. I think he will play a very important role. I wonder if Fawkes will become Harry's second pet.
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Post by Leigh on Feb 7, 2007 23:29:24 GMT -5
Exactly! (Though Harry has quite a good reason to kill Voldemort now, even without the inevitable deaths.) Harry will have help from his friends, the Order, and the Ministry. That is a ton of help.
Possibly. Or at least somewhere in the Ministry.
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on Feb 8, 2007 7:08:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Dumbledore's portrait would be in the Muggle's Minister's office too. I don't know why I would think of that but I just did.
I think he will inevitably have to kill Voldemort alone but not alone. Everyone will be there in spirit. I just don't think anyone else can do it but Harry.
I don't know if Snape would be there to help him or not. I wonder what will happen to Snape and if Voldemort knew about the Unbreakable Vow he made with Cissy? If Voldemort did will he hurt Snape and Draco or still accept them back?
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Post by Leigh on Feb 8, 2007 19:02:52 GMT -5
I think Draco is in for something and not in a good way. He failed his task. The only way I can think for him to survive now is to either 1) Get another big task and succeed. 2) Join the Order, even if it is for selfish purposes.
Snape will be welcomed back warmly, I think. He did kill the only person Voldy-Moldy ever feared.
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on Feb 8, 2007 20:50:30 GMT -5
Yeah that is true about Snape. I wonder if Bella could tell Voldemort about the Unbreakable vow?
I think that Snape killing Voldemort is Snape's way of making Voldemort believing that he is still on there side. If Snape did betray V and goes back as a Death Eater will V know what Snape did to help Dumbledore?
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Post by iluvtom on Apr 6, 2007 8:45:31 GMT -5
i think it's not true. Snape is an evil, lying, two-faced, backstabbing idiot! The only way he redeem himself in my eyes is if he dies.
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Post by iluvtom on Apr 6, 2007 8:48:27 GMT -5
Of course, i don't really believe that Dumbledore is dead. Maybe,..... OOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! BRILLIANT IDEA!!!!!!! Maybe Snape and Dumbledore staged his death, so that Voldemort would think he was dead. The only problem with this is, how could they completely fool Voldemort? Maybe. Not sure. Will work on this theory
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Post by iamafan on May 4, 2007 21:04:24 GMT -5
like he said he'll never be gone until no one is loyal to him
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