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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on May 16, 2006 21:57:48 GMT -5
Well Filch's name does match with the definition: "VIGILANT and ALERT" lol isn't it mentioned that Petunia will NEVER do magic? I remember reading the same thing that Petunia is not magical and she never does magic.
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Post by weasleyismyking™ on May 17, 2006 8:24:28 GMT -5
oh.. that makes me sad. oh, well. filch IS vigilant and alert. i thought that was funny how JK always uses names that apply to the characters' characteristics.
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Post by Sala on May 17, 2006 8:31:59 GMT -5
I'm still thinking about Sirius' returning....(I knew the Veil's story didn't end in OoTP) OK, I will say this once more.....Sirius was dead from Bellatrix's Avada Kedavra curse BEFORE he fell through the Veil. He will therefore not be coming back! Dumbledore points out, in GOF, "There are no spells to reawaken the dead". i found the following information at www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Harry's eye color (or something about his eyes resembling his mother's) is very important to this book. (Many chats; World Book Day, most recently, but there's also this nugget from the Boston Globe from 1999: "But he has his mother's eyes and that's very important in a future book." what do YOU think? Well yes, it did prove important in HBP, in persuading Slughorn to come out of retirement and teach at Hogwart's....
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Post by elspeth on May 17, 2006 9:54:40 GMT -5
Was it an AV curse? I thought that was green light--Bella's curse was red. And Sirius had a look of fear and surprise when he fell thru the curtain, whereas it was a look of shock when the curse hit him. (pg805-806 us version) I thought it was the fall thru the veil that killed Sirius and not the curse itself. I surely could be wrong tho. It was possibly just the way I read it. (But he is still dead, no matter which it was.)
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Post by weasleyismyking™ on May 17, 2006 15:53:35 GMT -5
wow! i never noticed the Avada Kedavra thing before sala, now i have to re-read it... hmmmm...
the eye colour is important in the NEXT book.. i KNOW it... (priori incantatem... if you want me to elaborate, just ask)
the mystery of sirius' death is yet to be solved... *dramatic music*
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on May 17, 2006 21:47:46 GMT -5
I think you're right elspeth about the AV curse. I believe it is green light. I always thought that when Sirius fell through the veil that he was entering the other realm, meaning the world of the dead. That is what I always thought.
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Post by weasleyismyking™ on May 18, 2006 8:46:50 GMT -5
i didn't think that sirius was dead when he fell through the veil, but now that sala pointed out the Avada Kedavra thing, i need to check...
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Post by Sala on May 22, 2006 5:51:34 GMT -5
i didn't think that sirius was dead when he fell through the veil, but now that sala pointed out the Avada Kedavra thing, i need to check... Yes, please check. I am SURE that Sirius was dead before he fell through the Veil.....
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Post by weasleyismyking™ on May 22, 2006 8:27:35 GMT -5
well, (if you're correct.. and i'm PRETTY DARN SURE you are) that'd stop all the "sirius is alive" believers... and it makes a lot of sense. if sirius was alive when he fell through the veil, he would've answered harry's message in the mirror... and he didn't. so it makes a lot of sense that he's already dead... i have a theory that ONLY the dead can pass through that veil... because there've been hints at the fact that it is a gateway between this world and the afterlife (the next world)... you probably wouldn't be able to go through it into the next world UNLESS you were already dead, this is just simply another way of gaining access to the afterlife, but you still have to experience death to gain entry.
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on May 22, 2006 15:30:23 GMT -5
I just looked at the chapter about the veil. It says the second jet of light hit him squarely in the chest. The only reference to the red light is in the paragraph before. "Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix's jet of red light: He was laughing at her. "Come on , you can do better than that!" he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room." The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.
It does not say whether it is red or green. We can assume it is red because of the previous paragraph.
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on May 22, 2006 20:36:44 GMT -5
Okay, I just read something in book 4. It is towards the end of the book in chapter 35(US version). It is when Moody takes Harry back to his office. Dumbledore uses the spell Stupefy and a blinding flash of red light and with a great splintering and crashing, the door of Moody's office was blasted apart ---- Moody was thrown backward onto the office floor.
I think that this shows us that Sirius could not have been killed by the Avada Kadavera curse. If Bellatrix had done Stupefy 1st (the red light) she most likely did it again. I feel by this that Sirius was NOT killed by the Avada Kadavera curse but he was Stupefied and fell through the veil which put him in the other realm. I also feel that he died when he went through the veil not from the AK curse.
I just had to share this when I read it.
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Post by Sala on May 23, 2006 3:18:36 GMT -5
Yes, the chapter can be interpreted as such. I re-read it this morning.
Dumbledore had just joined the fray. Bella had obviously thrown a stunner at Sirius first. With her second spell, after he taunts her, she hits him squarely in the chest. Now again, as Nutz correctly says, we are not told the colour of this ray of light. It could be red, but it could equally be green. Sirius's face is frozen with a look of surprise and shock (a bit like the Riddles after Voldemort kills them) and he falls back through the Veil. I suspect, Bella felt that the net was closing around her and she took a pot shot at Sirius, a killing curse, to enable herself to escape before she was faced with Dumbledore.
Whilst Harry awaits for him to reappear from the archway, Lupin tells him that Sirius has gone. When Harry protests, Lupin confirms that Sirius is dead....hmm this looks like I'm contradicting myself! ah well.....
In the next chapter, however, Harry says "She killed him! I'm going to kill her." And so he goes after Bellatrix.
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Post by weasleyismyking™ on May 23, 2006 8:42:12 GMT -5
ah, this is confusing... i wonder if JK made the books written as such JUST to confuse people like us who actually try to figure it out! good sleuthing, you guys... ;D at least we're relieved at the fact that in THIS debate (how sirius died) , there aren't any weird contradictions like whether or not his look-alike brother died instead. stuff like that confuses me in the whole dumbledore debate. it's like people are so desperate for him to be alive, they create some far-fetched storyline of their own to make sure he is alive.... at least in THIS, we KNOW it's sirius. and... well, not that his brother's DEAD, just that Regulus is so well hidden that even VOLDEMORT can't find him.. (sorry about the rant! )
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Post by nutz4hpotter6 on May 23, 2006 20:47:24 GMT -5
Okay Sala I see what you are saying about the Avada Kadvera curse and how Sirius looked compared do the Riddles. I think we could go on forever debating this. We all have our own opinions and interpretations of the books. I can say that I could be swayed to change my thinking about Sirius being killed by a killing curse and not from falling through the veil.
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Post by GryffindorGLion on May 23, 2006 21:48:56 GMT -5
funny how a small issue becomes a huge issue lol
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